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		<title>Comment on What is this thing called Quality? by Arto Jarvinen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arto Jarvinen</dc:creator>
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		<description>Thank you for your comment and feedback! Hope it was a glass of Quality wine! I have read the motorcycle book three times and Lila at least twice and I have to admit I&#039;m still struggling with the ideas even if I find the books very inspiring and thought-provoking. It seems to me that Pirzig is trying to define a word that is a name for something intuitively felt but hitherto not well defined. I have a problem with this as the feeling varies quite a bit between individuals. It&#039;s a bit like trying to define &quot;justice&quot;. As an example, some people see Q in a SUV whereas other see Q in a compact hybrid vehicle. So to me Q has to be subjective. In the eye of the beholder. Otherwise all competing products would look the same and have that Q-thing. The same goes with morality. There are quite a few different opinions about what that is. (I have to go back to Lila and check what the conclusion was - my recollection is that I didn&#039;t entirely agree with it.) -Arto</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your comment and feedback! Hope it was a glass of Quality wine! I have read the motorcycle book three times and Lila at least twice and I have to admit I&#8217;m still struggling with the ideas even if I find the books very inspiring and thought-provoking. It seems to me that Pirzig is trying to define a word that is a name for something intuitively felt but hitherto not well defined. I have a problem with this as the feeling varies quite a bit between individuals. It&#8217;s a bit like trying to define &#8220;justice&#8221;. As an example, some people see Q in a SUV whereas other see Q in a compact hybrid vehicle. So to me Q has to be subjective. In the eye of the beholder. Otherwise all competing products would look the same and have that Q-thing. The same goes with morality. There are quite a few different opinions about what that is. (I have to go back to Lila and check what the conclusion was &#8211; my recollection is that I didn&#8217;t entirely agree with it.) -Arto</p>
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		<title>Comment on What is this thing called Quality? by Dan Ballard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Ballard</dc:creator>
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		<description>Wonderful essay, thanks.

In his novel &quot;Lila,&quot; Robert Pirsig continued his inquiry into Quality first begun in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.  His main character in &quot;Lila&quot; (which was, again, himself, but this time as a more distant assessor of the once-mad Phaedrus) evolved throughout the story a very different understanding of Quality as Pirsig had adopted previously.  Pirsig concluded in &quot;Lila&quot; that: &quot;Good is a noun. That was it. That was what Phaedrus had been looking for.  That was the homer, over the fence, that ended the ball game. Good as a noun rather than as an adjective is all the Metaphysics of Quality is about.&quot; (p. 409). 

I think his latter understanding is spot on.  Quality IS.  It&#039;s not a state of mind, a recognition, a motivation, or any particular assemblage of attributes.  It is, literally, the Good -- which, I readily concede, sounds quite pompous.  But like Evil, the Good is for humans a transcendent truth that, together with Evil, sets the opposing boundaries of morality.  The closer a product or service can come to &quot;the Good side&quot; of that spectrum, the more Quality we ascribe to it. 

And now my head hurts.  Time for a glass of wine.  Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful essay, thanks.</p>
<p>In his novel &#8220;Lila,&#8221; Robert Pirsig continued his inquiry into Quality first begun in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.  His main character in &#8220;Lila&#8221; (which was, again, himself, but this time as a more distant assessor of the once-mad Phaedrus) evolved throughout the story a very different understanding of Quality as Pirsig had adopted previously.  Pirsig concluded in &#8220;Lila&#8221; that: &#8220;Good is a noun. That was it. That was what Phaedrus had been looking for.  That was the homer, over the fence, that ended the ball game. Good as a noun rather than as an adjective is all the Metaphysics of Quality is about.&#8221; (p. 409). </p>
<p>I think his latter understanding is spot on.  Quality IS.  It&#8217;s not a state of mind, a recognition, a motivation, or any particular assemblage of attributes.  It is, literally, the Good &#8212; which, I readily concede, sounds quite pompous.  But like Evil, the Good is for humans a transcendent truth that, together with Evil, sets the opposing boundaries of morality.  The closer a product or service can come to &#8220;the Good side&#8221; of that spectrum, the more Quality we ascribe to it. </p>
<p>And now my head hurts.  Time for a glass of wine.  Cheers!</p>
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